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Simplest Thing in the World by Aonon Simplest Thing in the World by Aonon
Sometimes I wonder, If God really and truly wants to defeat Satan, which almost everyone agrees that he does, why doesn't God just snap his fingers and make Satan not exist? It'd be the simplest freaking thing to do. And no more Satan means no more corrupted humans. Methinks God's in need of the Staples Button.
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LightningLord3 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. 
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. 
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? 
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” -Epicurus

To be fair, polytheism can lean on the same argument.
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LittleVineRabbit Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2015  New member
LOL


BTW I think it would be better to make him go to hell for a reason.
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TheComicChick Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014  Student General Artist
I think the reason that God hasn't made Satan disappear is because the world would be out of balance. 
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Endersmirror Featured By Owner Edited Feb 21, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Being a Christian-turned-Wiccan going on 17 years now, I happened to only recently had an epiphany concerning the ever-asked question "If God loves us, then why is the world the way it is?".  Here's what I think could be the case if you first accept the Given of The Biblical God is real.
God blessed humanity with a certain level of wisdom and intelligence; unfortunately, intelligence can stack knowledge based on that which has come before it.  Wisdom can inspire others, but cannot increase its services to humanity like intelligence can.  So now we have a far more intelligence-driven society while wisdom takes a back seat due to being over-shouted by communal intellect.
Also, God granted humanity free-will and if he gave us the wisdom to see, without fail, that service to him was the wisest choice of action, then our very natures would force us into his service; thereby overriding the free-will he had given to us.
So, in the long run, God is making the world as screwed up as it is because he is letting us make the choices that keep screwing it up. End Proof.
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Tibiademon555 Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
You mean there would be too much good?

Like, heaven, which is supposed to be entirely 100% good? Is heaven out of balance?
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
For the same reason a parent doesn't just kill their rebellious child.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
Except that a rebellious child and 'the source of all darkness and evil' aren't really the same thing, or even similar, now are they?
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Edited Oct 17, 2014
They are to God. Lucifer and his Demons were angels who rebelled out of blinding arrogance. God created the angels just like he did humans, So God views them as his children too. That's what Satan basically is: a disrespectful little brat of a child who thinks he can live forever (or in this case, fight an omnipotent and omniscient being).All of history is basically him throwing the biggest tantrum in, um, eternity. God loves Lucifer and the demons just like he does us; the problem is that they won't repent.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
Blinding arrogance which God endowed them with. Unless you're suggesting that a perfect being would purposely create an imperfect one and then punish it for being imperfect.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
Originally Lucifer was as pure and righteous as any finite being ever was, but when he was told that he ad to be subservient to being created after him,, he went "F**k you, I'm out!" The problem lies in what kind of personality lucifer had. My hypothesis is that Rather than giving them a pre-set personality, God allows spirits to choose their personalit when they are created based on,say, God's purpose for them, and those who become souls forget everything (but still maintain their chosen personality) upon entering their fetus. In my hypothesis, Lucifer wa told that he was to be the prince of the angels on our planet (That's another story), so he decided to choose a personality that would allow him to enjoy his God-given duty as much as possible, one of extreme self love that looked down on all that it was superior to and loved it. Loved it so much that when he was told that there were new beings he had to be subservient to, he refused to accept it and turned his back on God completely.

But remember, this is all my own hypothesis, and I submit it completely to the scrutiny of wiser minds.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
So this is just a hypothesis on your own part. Okay, that's fine then. I thought you were stating matter-of-factly that this is how it happened (because I've met people like that and it's just maddening.).
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
The part about Spirits choosing their own personalities is my hypothesis, the rest is how I've always been taught it happened.
But I'm sure the real wisdom-of-the-world theologians like Jurgen Moltmann or Molly Marshall (who just so happened to be my dad's professor) have come up with much better explanations.
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LE2 Featured By Owner Edited Oct 12, 2014
I remember asking way back in Sunday School "Why doesn't God just kill Satan?" and I was told "Oh, he will someday." I should've gone one step further like Bill Maher did in Religulous and asked "What's keeping him?"

Then again, I'm just a girl and supposed to learn in silence.
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yudrontheglatorian Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
if would´ve done that, then the other angels wouldn´t be serving god in honour, then they would be afraid of him and he didn´t want this.

god is not that tyrannic, he wanted to give EVERYONE a chance to be in the game, it was to show the other angels "even if you disagree with me, i´m not erasing you, but you have to carry the responsibility of your actions"
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Supreme-Commissar Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
If there is no more evil, how would we know who or what is good? :? (Confused)   Spotlight  Devilish This probe's for you! Floating Spotlight 
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nonimportante Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2014
the devil is not god's enemy he's god garbage man
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Aonon Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2014
Meaning that despite the fact that he spends much of his time in a dump, you really need him and have a sort of grudging friendship?
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Vanakniunio Featured By Owner Edited Dec 19, 2014
No, it's because like how you take out the trash, the customer ( God, according to good ol' Bibley's Believe It Or Not, anyways) just shovels all the shit (atheists) he doesn't want into a bin and lets the garbage man (Satan) dump them into the trash pit (either Hell or Gehenna, they were never very clear on that part).
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Manual-Control Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Can God make a stone he cannot lift?
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Edited Oct 17, 2014
Can God tell you whether the color yellow is square or round? Can he tell you how many hours are in a mile? Can he give a creature free will and simultaneously withhold free will from it?  No. His omnipotence means the power to do all that is intrinsically possible. not that which is intrinsically impossible. If you were to say that God could do one of these things You would not have succeeded in saying anything about God. Meaningless combinations of words do not suddenly gain meaning when we prefix to them the two other words "God can". All things are possible with God, but impossibilities are not things but nonentities. God can no more carry out two mutually exclusive alternatives than the weakest of his creatures. Not because his omnipotence encounters a barrier, but because nonsense remains nonsense even when we talk about God.

A passage from C.S. Lewis' The problem of pain, barely paraphrased, so I'm probably going to be arrested for plagiarism.
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Manual-Control Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
It seems a fair amount of logic has been mixed into this answer, yet it also seems to contain something strange in between the lines. I'm not immediately sure what, but I feel I must read over this a couple more times. Until then, please know that the argument you have brought forward has caused me to think a great deal on the matter.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Edited Oct 17, 2014
Wonderful! C.S. Lewis has that effect on everyone who reads his work. If you were to ask me if he had any astoundingly good arguments, I would respond with "Pick any chapter from any book and you'll find three." Any other christian will give a similar opinion. He's actually so influential that his books are the topics of other books.  You've heard of The Chronicles of Narnia? That was him. He was also, I kid you not, Best friends to J. R.R. Tolkien.
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Manual-Control Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I see. Well, after reading your last comment about eight more times (and talking about this topic offline with others) I have come to this conclusion: "Christianity is (in one way or another) confusing." I only say this because like most religions, It gives others a sense of hope for something better. But it also includes stuff that , In hindsight, most of the things God does seem to be too complex for it to work out well for anyone else. Take the picture above for example. If god really needed to get rid of Satan, he could've easily poofed him away and be done with it. Someone would obviously ask, "But then where would all the sinners go?" To which I would normally go, " Nowhere. They would rot in the dirt trapped inside their own mind, An even more hellish place to go.". I would type more, But now it must sound like I'm rambling.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014
Huh? Satan didn't create hell, God created it to basically act as a smelter for our souls. Devil goes in, stubborn-ass demon eventually learns lesson, angel comes out. It doesn't really last for eternity, In refference to hell the word for "all of time" is always used. They, had two words "Kronos" meaning "all of time and "kairos" (I have no idea if that's how it's spelled) which means eternity. The bible says that time will come to an end. For more info, look up the theologian Jurgen Moltmann.
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
MY MIND: KEN U NOT 


THAT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD QUESTION Luke's Epic Face 
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Manual-Control Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I know. :3
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Rainbow-Sunlight Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I always wandered why God has to make a new Heaven. (It talks about a new Heaven in Revelations.) If Heaven is perfect, why need a new one? Also, the Bible says you can't sin in Heaven......well....in the very beginning, Satan (aka, Lucifer), sinned in heaven. Satan was jealous of God. How can you be jealous of someone when Heaven is supposed to be the happiest place ever?
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Aonon Featured By Owner Sep 12, 2014
*head explodes*
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Manual-Control Featured By Owner Sep 13, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Crap. I need Class-J Personel, We have another mind blown.
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VarthDaider Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014
Just stumbled across this quite by accident...
Funny and true...
All should stop and think on this
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
then, what would be the point of anything???
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Aonon Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
What do you mean?
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014
what would be the point of life? love? Existence? Heaven? Hell? Free will?? Lutherans? atheists???

If we don't struggle toward a goal, we turn out like a Spoiled fat rich 33yr-old who throws a tantrum every time his hourly Belgium-chocolate chip cookie is late or missing a piece of chocolate.

you forget, in the beginning, we were originally without sin. this current world is a result of us coming into the world as sinners. we will eventually(from our perspective:bulletred:) be forgiven through Faith in JESUS.

:bulletred:As an aside, GOD has a different view of time, and we already KNOW what's going to happen to Satan. roasting in the pit/lake of Fire for Eternity
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014
The meaning of life is to give it meaning. You're on your own from here, my son.
-with love from an Agnostic

PS. everything else you just said was pretty fucking retarded.
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Oct 25, 2014
"So you're saying that without a malevolent mythological figure tempting us to commit evil, then existence itself is pointless, along with the mythology itself"---No. Just that if GOD solved all our problems for us, there would be nothing to strive for, no goals to accomplish, & and no point to Heaven.

Ps. I generally think the same thing whenever an atheist bashes religion in general-(mine in particular)- & then claims that because they're an atheist, they're somehow exempt from being included in that simply because they identify as atheist.----that said, either you're just trolling or you haven't actually considered what I commented.:bulletred:


:bulletred:  comments.deviantart.com/1/4489…
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2014
I'm a philosopher, the things you say are like a child's thoughts to me. Read existentialism and get out of my hair you benighted Christian.
-with love from an Agnostic

PS. you might find these interesting: 
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PSS. I find it funny that you have all those "sexy" ladies in your favour folder, don't you know that is a sin against your God? I'll see you in Hell <3
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Aonon Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014
So you're saying that without a malevolent mythological figure tempting us to commit evil, then existence itself is pointless, along with the mythology itself.

That's..a rather depressing outlook on life. I don't need some supernatural villain or deity giving me purpose by declaration to find my own purpose in life. No one does.

And no, I don't 'forget the origin of sin'. I was a Christian once. I have read the Bible, along with other mythologies. Norse and Egyptian are my favorites. And sin does not exist. Not as an observable 'force', anyway. There is good, and there is evil, but not as actual tangible THINGS. They are abstract concepts, descriptions that we humans ascribe to actions we see in the world. Unfortunately, morality is, in my opinion, subjective (although not as much as others might say it is.) 'Good' is how we describe actions that benefit the society we live in. And 'evil' is how we describe actions that are detrimental to the society we live in.

It's not a perfect system, but only because people are not perfect. But that's only because 'perfect' isn't something that really meshes with nature, because it suggests an objective GOAL, which existence itself (as a state of being) does not have. The concept of perfection is also entirely dependent on the person perceiving it, as what one person considers perfect another may consider abhorrent.

For instance, depending on which version is presented, I consider Christian morality to be abhorrent. Believing someone exists is not cause for that person to 'forgive' you. And 'forgiving you' is not the jurisdiction of a third party. The only person who can forgive you, by definition, is the person who was wronged. Granted, this can vary depending on the crime, but it is not the place of a judge to 'forgive' the offender. And ANY judge worth the seat he sits in would not forgive heinous crimes (and I mean ACTUAL crimes. Not abstract concepts like lust or pride, or harmless trespasses EVERYONE is guilty of) if the defendant swore allegiance to him. That would be a corrupt judge.

Again, this is only a particular variety of Christian morality that I despise (the ones where 'Faith' is the only requirement, and no amount of being a good person matters), and I don't know which version you belong to. So I apologize if I offend.
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
"So you're saying that without a malevolent mythological figure tempting us to commit evil, then existence itself is pointless, along with the mythology itself"---No. Just that if GOD solved all our problems for us, there would be nothing to strive for, no goals to accomplish, & and no point to Heaven.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Jun 30, 2014
Ah. That's fine then.
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Sir-Collins-Brususe Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Ii remember reading this bible, it said that Satan is a very VERY handsome angel that defined god. 
but idk...
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Aonon Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2014
True. The Biblical description of him doesn't have horns, but looks like a seraphim. The point was that God could get rid of him any time he wanted, but for some reason, doesn't.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Because you can't uncreate something, God can't do everything
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014
I think you made a typo, so let me fix that for you "God can't do anything" there you go and better luck next time <3
-with love from an Agnostic 
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Way to enforce the stereotype that people without religions are smug bigots
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014
Oh, I can almost feel the amount of butthurt <3 but hey, it's not my fault that your God is weak and cowardly (not to mention very ignorant, he doesn't even know Earth is round, how sad is that? very sad, that's how!).
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Aonon Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2014
Then he is not omnipotent.

I'm just sayin', if my first creation was making life miserable for my other creations (who I favored), I'd get rid of the first one.
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Uncertatron Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2014
Personally, I have no problem believing in a God who s not omnipotent. Creating the world and caring about us is good enough for me.
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fiskefyren Featured By Owner Edited Aug 11, 2014
Then we can agree that the Bible is a lie? Because it states God is omnipotent, which God apparently isn't.
-with love from an Agnostic 
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Uncertatron Featured By Owner Aug 13, 2014
The Bible was written by human being, human beings are not infallible. Yes I believe the Bible does contain some falsehoods, (I don't believe, for example, that all of humanity is descended from two people) but I'm not sure whether the omnipotents of God is one of them. It's not a question I've given that much thought to because it really doesn't bother me that much, compared to some others.
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