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The Two Biblical Cities by Aonon The Two Biblical Cities by Aonon
Too many people who don't want gays to get married will yell something like: "Gays are ebil cuz o sodom n gomorrah thats why god destroyed them cuz they were gay'.

No. The book of Genesis never specifically says for what reason they were destroyed. The reason is not specified until Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 16:49-50:

"Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good."

In those days, 'abomination' was defined as 'any action that offended God', not 'being gay.' Back then, abomination included eating shellfish, having a disobedient child, and having sex with your wife while she was on her period.

In short, Sodom and Gomorrah were not destroyed for being gay. They were destroyed for being complete assholes.
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codyrush Featured By Owner Aug 11, 2014  Student Filmographer
Um, the messengers of God in the story---speaking as a former priest with biblical scholarship to spare---were pursued with intent to rape. The prophet in this anecdote of course offered to throw his virgin daughters to the wolves, so it's not exactly a sacrosanct bunch of people we're dealing with. The messengers of God, after being threatened with rape, then rained down fire and brimstone on the S and G. At least that's the story in the King James' version of the book. This is what is meant by the ravenous mob shouting 'send out these that we may know them!' "Know" meaning archaically to know someone sexually or otherwise intimately. 

 Really what seems to be the cause for revocable property damage is an attempted gang rape. On angels of God no less, at least that's what the Torah (at least the version I've seen) and the KJ both agree the divine envoys were. Hence their biblical potency as appointed destroyers. 
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Aonon Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014
I do understand that that's what 'know' means in that passage. Another good question would be "If this prophet was such a good guy, why didn't he tell the gang to go f*ck themselves?" That always seriously peeves me about stories like this. A supposedly good person does something utterly hideous to prove his loyalty to whatever power he believes in, and his action is described as 'good'. Makes me sick to my stomach.
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codyrush Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2014  Student Filmographer
Sometimes I include information for posterity. Comments aren't just read by you and me, you know, smart people. Sometimes biblical jargon or turns-of-phrase just...well, they don't translate. 

 Oh, I know. Believe me I do. I was raised a Mormon priest. I've seen a lot of very ugly realities in scriptures and in biblical history that...yeah: they say nothing good about the abrahamic faiths. 
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BlackHoleInAJar Featured By Owner Edited Aug 11, 2014  Professional General Artist
Like Pencilartguy said, it's not just that they did but they did so much more and reveled in it. They were nasty through and through.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2014
Indeed they were. The point is that some people focus solely on "Some of their victims were other men" which, to them, means 'teh gayz iz all ebil'.
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cas20 Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2014   Writer
That's exactly right, but Fundies also back it up with Jude 1:7. Which they misunderstood.
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Pencilartguy Featured By Owner Jul 19, 2014
it says in the New Testament they were destroyed not only for arrogance, pride and rape, but they also did indeed intend homosexual acts.

Jude 1:7 New International Version (NIV) "7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire."
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kyrtuck Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Yep, I had heard of that too.
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silversongwriter Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2014
Homosexuality was one of those things.

Just cause they were prideful and arrogant, that means that the prohibition against homosexuality doesn't apply?

That's stupid
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Aonon Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2014
No. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is that the cities were not destroyed explicitly because the citizens were gay. There were a myriad of other things that were far worse. But some people like to use the cities destruction as an argument against gay people and ignore the other, more prominent evils. That's all.

And on a side note, even if that WAS the only thing they did wrong (being gay) that is no reason to destroy them.
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