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Unlikely Allies by Aonon Unlikely Allies by Aonon
As an agnostic/atheist, I really do feel bad for rational Christians. I really do. They probably hate zealots even more than the rest of us. And rational Christians are the kind I can get along with. Because despite their faith, they are willing to accept and acknowledge scientific reality when the need arises. Also, they rarely try to damn me to hell for not being Christian.
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LightningLord3 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2015
It's the same with muslims and people who support IS, really. Especially since people now demand them to show they're not terrorists.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014
I don't hate fundamentalists, I hate fundamentalism. "Hate the sin, love the sinner." Ignorance and denseness aren't really sins, per Se, but it's the same principle.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Oct 18, 2014
Finally, someone who understands what it's like to be a rational Christian on the internet. Just because I'm Christian doesn't mean I disregard every piece of science ever, hate all non-Christians, think creationism should be taught in science lessons, don't want medicine, and am generally retarded. Why is 90% of the internet religious and Atheist so confrontational? People have different beliefs and disbelief's, I accept that, so should everyone.
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soulessone12 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
WOHOO IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!!!! Want A Hug From Me ? 
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
Thank god :)
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soulessone12 Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
enjoy the hug?
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014
Indeed I did.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Oct 20, 2014
I think much of it has to do with the fact that humans are biologically programmed to have a tribal 'us-vs-them' mentality. At one point in history, that ensured survival. As a species, we have outgrown our need for it, and in person such an attitude has become a detriment. But the internet provides anonymity, and you can be free to say things you wouldn't dream of actually saying to someone's face.
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mclj10 Featured By Owner Oct 21, 2014
Probably.
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sin-and-love Featured By Owner Oct 17, 2014
Everything you said in the descriptive paragraph is completely true. (People like the guy on the left are called fundamentalists, by the way.)

But is the guy on the right supposed to be a blind Illuminati or something?
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DarkLordPhantom Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2014
I am atheist, and i agree this is a problem. By the way, it's not hard to find fanatic atheists that reminds those not rational christians.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014
True dat.
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DarkLordPhantom Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2014
That's why i no longer judge people because of their faith, but because of the person itself.
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DaBair Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
As a Catholic, I agree with this. Fundies are the worst.
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DivergentAngel Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2014
"You're gonna burn in hell cause even though you're a good person who helps others and is caring and donates to charities, you don't believe in God!"
This is basically what they're saying. These guys make others believe all Christians are like that
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GodDragonKing Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
The rational Christians really need to speak up more. I'm not trying to sound disrespectful, I believe that if they start making themselves heard more than people will stop associating them with the fundamentalists.
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
We got Pope Francis elected didn't we? That guy is so awesome he has become Bat Pope, as declared by John Stewart.
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GodDragonKing Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
Not sure how much the common people had to do with that, since I have no idea how much the cardinals pay attention to that. Though it definitely seems like they were this time.
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aaaaceace Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2014
Actually the cardinals have nothing to do with who becomes pope. In reality it is decided by a group of Jewish comedians, hence the reason why John Stewart can declare Francis the Bat Pope.
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worldsmixer Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Woohoo! Rational Christians and Aethesists, working together agains the Fundies!
(I go to church, but that's just cuz the one I got to is FUN.)
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner May 9, 2014   Writer
I would like the team-up to be a bit more reflexive rather than us having to be scolded for "tone" a few times before the rational Christians listen to us. 
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Aonon Featured By Owner May 9, 2014
Indeed, that would be nice.
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MissMuffinTop Featured By Owner May 9, 2014   Writer
Yesh!
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BlueWolf007 Featured By Owner May 6, 2014
THANK YOU! Oh my sweet dear Fluff! Can't stand the condemning fucks who believe that if you aren't a believer, you're worthless to society.
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ShariaHater356 Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Student Digital Artist
zealots can be pretty crazy.
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Darkton93 Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2014
Thanks for tolerating, man. I kinda feel the same way towards atheists, that the radicals who act all "holier than thou" make you guys with common sense look bad.
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Demot92 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2014
Can't people just shut up for once about there religious views and give a big o'hug to every one the world could be a better place. I will starthug with love.
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Spiritswriter123 Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
+1
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MisterY675 Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2013
As a rational christian , I LOATHE those bigots with a passion.
Why can't people believe in what do they want to?
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SeiuchiKing Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013
I'm deeply Christian, and my personal feelings on those kind of people (like the westboro  baptist, militant Muslims terrorist, or people like Richard Dawkins) are in fact sad people swept along by some kind of over rationalized moralistic philosophy.
    when I hear them talk, I hear this circular reasoning that has trapped their minds and it is really sad. I look at them like I would see a mentally ill person, sickened by philosophies rather then genetics. 
    though yes, I honestly wish people would stop pointing cameras at these people or bunching all of us together.
    thanks for not seeing us as the same thing. 
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Whacked-Out-Inc Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
There's this guy called "ProudPatriotPapa" on Youtube who is a rational christian. Stephen accepted the challenge of "What would it take for you to believe?" and those two are somewhat friends.
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TriflingThoughts Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2011
This. A thousand times this.
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Daemon324 Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2011
I am totally the one in the middle. If I get asked, sure I'll talk, but if they don't care, I'm not going to shove it down somebody's throat. Besides, who says science and religion don't work hand in hand?
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MetalShadowOverlord Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2011
Rational Christians are, indeed, associated with the zealots constantly, but, the question is: "WHO is the one who does the majority of said associating?"
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Aonon Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2011
people who like to paint entire groups of other people with a single broad brush?
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MetalShadowOverlord Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2011
If you mean the anti-Christian, or anti-religious, which are mostly composed of Atheists, then yes. (FFRF and AA (American Atheist, not Alcoholics Anonymous) are prime examples of anti-Christian groups). The only Christian groups I've heard about that are complete whack jobs are WBC (numbering 71) and Terry Jones' Church (numbering around 50, I believe) whereas organizations such as FFRF have over 13000 members and AA has about 3000 members (approximately).

Does this mean I have a problem with Atheists? No. I just see this kind of thing happening mostly on the Atheistic side of the spectrum.
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whyhavedeactivedpage Featured By Owner Dec 31, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Wait I'm sorry, weren't you the one who showed me something about an Atheist and a Christian talking about Christmas but the atheist was actually referred to as "the grinch?"

Also I see this a lot but FFRF isn't the same as AA. FFRF does stuff like provide a scholarship for a boy who was kicked out of his house for being an atheist whereas AA are the assholes.
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JohnFaa Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2011  Student Writer
Er, no. Many more christian groups worse than the WBC do exist, but they're low key because they operate "pray the gay away" camps rather than to announce America as Satanland.
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Vazura Featured By Owner May 31, 2011
I'm a Rational Christian, and I'm of the belief that God is awesome enough that he could create the universe with science!

...I also think 'Hell' isn't what it's made out to be, and a pit of eternal punishment is NOT something the God I believe in would make.
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Aonon Featured By Owner May 31, 2011
I read something in a magazine, an article trying to bridge the gap between faith and science. It said "Physics are the laws of the universe that God laid down, and not even He can break them."
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Vazura Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2011
I like that, although personally I think he COULD...he just won't. I just get this feeling that he set up everything up in advance with Omni-Foresight and only breaks the rules for a few key biblical events.

I also subscribe to the idea that God lets us do horrible things because he values free will so much. By basic logic, one of the few things God can't 'technically' do is make us choose to be good and/or worship him. If he forced it, it would not be choice.

Anyway, I'm babbling, I just guess I like to talk about this stuff when a rational field to do so opens up. Point is, I agree 100% with what your saying. I also think their is nothing wrong with being agnostic/atheist. In fact, I've wavered into agnostic more then once. Faith that you question and doubt, but in the end still follow, is MILES better then blind faith...something that those zealots have in spades.
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Aonon Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2011
and Jesus himself said that you'd don't HAVE to believe in Jesus or even God to get into heaven. I forget the exact chapter but Jesus said something along the lines of "It is not they who praise my name who shall sit in the kingdom, but it shall be they who do my Father's will, they who do their works selflessly."

Basically, be a good person. Treat others nicely. And don't be good just for the sake of being rewarded later. Because then it's not being good.
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IronBloodAika Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2011
That's a comforting thought (though I doubt it's as easy as just being a nice person), since I don't like to imagine the likes of Ghandi in Hell after all the good he did for the world. It just doesn't sit well with me.
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Guardian54 Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2012  Student General Artist
He not only spent more time preaching about Hinduism than freedom, he sent his followers to sit in front of and be mown down by British machine-guns. Most of my Indian buddies beleive he was a British hireling to make the transition not so expensive for the British.

I couldn't care less where he went after he went away from our world.
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IronBloodAika Featured By Owner Mar 12, 2012
I'm tempted to argue (since a lot of that sounds incorrect), but my brain is telling me not too. I'll just agree to disagree with you. I don't want to get into another internet argument over historical figures.
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YRPOtaku169 Featured By Owner May 31, 2011  Student Writer
Dude, I totally agree with you.
Especially since I went to a fundamentalist Christian academy for four years.
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Aonon Featured By Owner May 31, 2011
ouch.
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YRPOtaku169 Featured By Owner May 31, 2011  Student Writer
Interestingly, they only drove me down the road towards agnosticism. It was studying the Holocaust and asking "Why would God allow this to happen to 5 million of his followers?" that drove the final nail in the coffin for me. I couldn't truly call myself a Christian after asking myself that simple question.
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Aonon Featured By Owner May 31, 2011
unfortunately, its hardly the only example of that. The Spanish Inquisition, the Salem Witch Trials, the Conquistadores, and the big one, the Crusades.
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GodDragonKing Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2014
The main thought that keeps my away from believing in an all-powerful god is that would accepting a higher power lets, or plans, for people Stalin and Mao live to a ripe old age, and then lets my brother die when he was 16.
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